TALBOT STREET 15/03/2013
Ive looked at your great site for a number of years and never got round to adding anything so here goes..
My father Sam Richards (who is still alive in 2013 and very active and independant) was born at Talbot Street, I got him to note a few things from memory recently, here is some of it..
"I was born on the 2nd April 1915 (A war baby) during the great War 1914 – 1918.
The great event happened at a back to back house in Talbot St, Winson Green Birmingham. A back house had a number, I think it was 5/105. Rows of these houses were built in Birmingham for the workers, there were more factories than houses, so builders put a house at the back making a row of 10 into 20, saving a wall. At the rear was a washhouse for two houses and a closet for both (a closet was the name for a toilet). My family consisted of Gladys, Alice and William (Bill). Our house had one up and one down – rather crowded.
I do not remember much of Talbot St, but Winson Green prison seemed only 50yds from our house. The walls were over 20ft high. The prison was a huge place, a lunatic quarter with cages on the outside of the building and the inmates used to shout and yell. The entrance to the prison was in Winson Green Rd, a grim place with a canal running along side it. I remember the corner shop, the bake house and the pawnshop. The family in the front part of the house were named Fisher and the shop was run by a family called Wheeler. That is all I can remember of Talbot St.
My father Sam Richards was killed in 1917 at the battle of Cambrai. My mother Alice could not manage, so she left and we went to my grandmothers. I cant remember when but it was about 1920. My sister (she was called our Glad, never Gladys) was very happy to get away from Talbot St and live with gran in 75? Benson Rd."
Hope this little bit is useful to add to Talbot St and Benson Rd history.
Rgds Derek Richards firstname.lastname@example.org
TALBOT STREET 22/09/08
My Name is Mark McNamara and am one of seven to be born at (or near) 67 Talbot Street. My parents are Joseph (Joe) and Anne (Nancy) McNamara. Both of my parents are Dubliners, and having moved to England in the mid 50’s (separately) met up in a dance hall somewhere around Aston, Married and landed in Talbot St in 1959/60.
My mother worked in a number of places including the factory at the top end of Talbot St. She also cleaned at Benson Road school and worked evenings at the Talbot pub – and raised seven Children. My Da was a painter & decorator, though like most Irish of that time, took on work as and where it was available.
He too was frequently to be found in the Talbot (not serving) as well as the Wonder Vault, The Soho, The Devonshire … pretty much anywhere that beer could be consumed.
As for my siblings , My Eldest sister Margaret, born in 59 ( pictured with my Dad as a baby, and also with her best friend Maxine French circa 1966) Margaret attended Benson Road as indeed as we all did albeit in my case only for a very short time.
Then there is Joseph, who I recall being friends with a lad called Alan Waterhouse whom I recall having a sister named Kim). Next is my sister Christina whom I think was probably called Tina by her friends – I know that she was very good friends with the Clarke’s who lived across the road to us. As did the next in line Catherine (Cathy) Cathy was very good friends with Catherine Clarke who died tragically in the train derailment on the return from a school trip to Rhyl. This was talked about for some time in our household as Cathy was with Catherine Clarke on the train and the two of them were moving between carriages when my sister was called into a coach by a teacher, and Catherine carried on – shortly after this the derailment occurred and the resulting losses occurred. I have vague memories of the furore that existed that evening at the station and up and down the street. My parents were very friendly with Catherine’s parents (Jonnie & Mary?).
Then finally there is Michael, Me & finally Brendan who was born in 67.
I have very fond memories of the REC, and just running around the street like ‘mad ones’. I can recall our next door neighbour, on the other side of the gully – Maxine French lived the other side, who named us according to the ‘occasional ‘pocket money she would give us – I was known as ‘Tuppence’ and I think I often got it more frequently than my siblings as she seemed amused that I had a very odd manner of shuffling on my bottom (I was a very later walker!!!) and would be up and the street to the corner shop , shuffling as I went.
I can recall going to Benson Road School along with my Mother who was a cleaner there for a while and the dinner ladies would often put aside some of that days pudding for us – it was delicious – particularly the ‘chocolate concrete’ after this I was very keen to start school and get puddings everyday.
I also remember a lady whom was the midwife who help deliver me (we were all born at home with the exception of the youngest) and she often made a point of looking in on us because I was the heaviest baby she delivered at 12 lb 2 – she said not to bother with baby food and to move straight onto a stew!
My Nan would visit us most Saturdays and commandeer the TV to watch the wrestling – she was a big fan of Mick McManus and woe betides any one that got the better of him….
Sadly she died in the same year as the Rhyl train crash and I believe we left Talbot Street in the following May (1972 I think) we only moved to the top of Handsworth between the New Inns & the Farcroft so Dad was happy. We left Benson Rd for St Augustine’s School RC and my elder siblings went to Handsworth New Road. Our new house was great – It had a great Garden. a bathroom and Kitchen, more rooms than we knew what to do with (compared to Talbot Street) I still have very fond affection for the place and on occasions when I am back near Birmingham I will often detour – I know its all changed, and heaven knows it needed to, I guess childhood memories are very powerful and serve to remind you where you come from and aid in knowing where you wish to get to.. I have recently taken my young children to the Back To Back project in the City Center (Owned by the National Trust) and they are amazed that people lived in such small rooms – I sometimes feel that my youngest daughter’s bedroom is larger than the down stairs at Talbot street. I was discussing this with Margaret, .my oldest sister, and she is adamant that the Back to Back project houses are considerably larger than the house we lived – I would be interested to hear in other readers views on this.
As I write this its very strange the thoughts and memories that are evoked, and I only wish my fingers could record with the dexterity that my memory calls them to mind – Particularly during the winter when there was a tremendous snowfall – the fun that was had, holding onto the back of the coal truck as he made his way up the street, also the time when some of the older kids ( I'm sure it was our Joe and Alan Waterhouse) had one of the old pump trucks from the railway lines – some how it end up the back yard where the toilets were, and suddenly there was an almighty commotion as they smashed through the door of the house directly to the back of us.
Following my family tree has been great, and fortunately it means I get to spend a lot of time in Ireland, and whilst I am and have always been immensely proud to be Irish, there is a significant part of me that is Talbot street.
Thanks for taking time to read this, and thank you for a magnificent site.
Marc McNamara email@example.com
Photo1 LtoR Nanny (Mary / Molly) Keyes, Michael, Joseph, Mark and the head without a face is Brendan. Photo 2 Margaret with her best friend Maxine French 1966 Photo 3 Michael, Mark, Margaret, Brendan (sitting on Nanny Keyes lap) Cathy and Tina standing at the back. Photo 4 Joseph, Michael, Mark, Tina, Brendan & Cathy Photo 5 My Eldest sister Margaret, born in 1959 ( pictured as a baby, with my Dad (Joe McNamara).
TALBOT STREET (the best street)?
In there are the Dubberley, Clifton, Norman, Field, Gales, Bartlam, Weir, Aston, Lively, Mortiboys, Clawley, Clements, Adams, Manley Ashford, Wright families ,etc sorry if I've missed any names out, but they are all there, were are they now ?
Thanks to Colin Aston for the Photo and information
The story that I about to unfold is a true happening in early comments I mentioned the name of a bakery this company was called " Mothers Pride " a true home bakery, situated in Talbot St. my brother used to work there partime ,taking care of the horses and one of his jobs to take them to the Farrier to be re-shoed, he always rode the horse bareback, on one occasion on the way back ridding the horse some young lad threw a brick,and hit the horse, It bolted with my brother hanging on the horse, shouting Help save me save me, the horse never stop running up Winson Green Rd till it arrived at Summerfield Park where a Policeman caught hold. From then onwards my brother was nicknamed "Save me Save Fred". While on Talbot Street a few of the people living there. Tibbetts Aston Fenney Dolphins Carrington Ravenall Field/B Bannister Farrington Field/N Roberts Jefferies Cawley Roberts/A ? Waterhouse Honeybone Briscoe ? Marshall Coopers Roberts/F ? Holmes/H Manleys Mulling Bamford/H Dubberley Myatts Baggots Astons/C.R. Cliftons Pritchard Smiths/T.G. Hall/J. Winkels Clemments Raven/R BrookesBlucks Morgan Erdleys Adams Hewlitts Short. If those people I have forgoten,please E.Mail the Saturday Night Partys,My cousin Les and Pals would take my granmothers Piano onto the pavement and play for hours with everybody singing,and enjoying themselves,thats called community spirit. "" Great Times "" My Granmother great Lady Emily Moore/Ravenall Colin Mills, E-mail firstname.lastname@example.org
TALBOT STREET 12/03/07
My grandparents lived at number 24 Talbot Street in 1922. Their names were George and Emma Clark, Emma's maiden name was Carr I'm not sure if they had any of their children while still living there but their oldest child was Rose. Does anyone remember them? Please get in touch if you do, my mum Audrey (the youngest and only surviving member of her generation), and I would be very interested to hear if anyone has any stories from that time.
Thank you. Denise Elves email@example.com Photo thanks to Denise and her Mom of EMMA CARR taken around 1918 when Emma (my nan) was about 16 (we think).
TALBOT STREET Really interested by the photo ------- Talbot Street (the best street)?
I had Clifton family members in the area at the time and wonder whether the photo contributor knows anything of the Clifton family as featured in the pic???? Caroline Watkins Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
My surname was Leavesley I lived in Talbot St my mom is on the photo at the end of the war she is far left her name was Floss. My self (Doreen) and my sister Betty Leavesley are also on the photo, I am in the middle and Betty is in front of me I remember Colin Aston, Danny Clawley and Joyce Norman lived at the back of us. Our Margaret has been over on holiday [she now lives in jamaica] and enjoyed looking at the Winson Green site. Email: doreendavies57.@AOL.COM
An old photo taken in Talbot Street, it is of the end of the War Party, this one shows all the grown ups. My sister-in-law is Joyce Norman, who has a brother Kenny - their mother is the lady at the back between the two pointed hats. Somewhere at the front is Danny Clawley's mother, do not know who the others are. Hope it is of interest
From WVB 21/07/02
Great site glad I looked in, found my mother in picture grown up talbot street. (wvb 21/07/02). my mother is kneeling front right of picture. her name was Lily Joan Bannister but always called Joan.(Dads name was Henry) the door just behind the air man was no 10 my aunt lived there her name Kitty Amyes. We lived opposite the Talbot pub, next door to us lived the Larcombes.in the back of us lived the Hayes. just down from the pub lived the Whalleys, with the Jefferies down entry, also remember the name Waterhouse.
Wal Bannister Email: email@example.com
TALBOT STREET 06/03/07
I have just been looking at a letter from a Wal Bannister that appeared on your website and found out that he used to live at my old house in Talbot Street. I sent an e-mail to his address but it came back as not delivered. I wonder if you could put this on your site in the hope that he might see it and get back to me Love your site.
I lived in Talbot Street from 1949 to 1957 and went to Benson Road school.My name is Bob Shale but I was Robert then.Any one who might remember me is quite welcome to get in touch at firstname.lastname@example.org. Regards. Robert (Bob) Shale
TALBOT STREET 12/04/04
I lived at 7/42 Talbot Street, we moved there about 1957 and left after our house was compulsory purchased in 1960 ish, I went to Benson Road infants, I don't remember many names from then, just the Marshalls who lived in our yard, I think the Baggotts did too.mom and dad were jim and Madeline Dowson, I'm Lynn and my sister June was born there in 1959. I was very young and don't remember too much but I always felt safe, we could wander anywhere then.. anyone out there remember us!
Lynn Winterton Email: email@example.com
Does anyone recall a story of a murder around 1955 ish? my mom told me a laundry worker, I cant remember her name, was killed and mutilated, the murderer apparently tried to soak up the blood with sugar!
Lynn Winteton Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Here are some of the thing's I remember about Talbot Street, there was a shop called Tibit's which sold groceries, but if you had not had time to get your winning's off the bookie (when it was illegal to bet) you could get it here by using your code name (i.e "po2" was my mom's). There was a sheet metal work factory on the corner of Lodge Road and Talbot Street, just before Harding Street there was a coalyard run by G. Hewlet, he also sold budgies and pigeons. Across the road from the yard was a pub which had been closed down for holding "Cock and Dog" fights it was called "The Sun", just before "The Talbot" run by Ted and Edith Rowlands, was a sweet shop, after the pub was Tommy Harper's coach yard. Here are some of the names of the people who lived in Talbot Street, Albert Darby and family, Danny Darby and family, Billy Baggot and family, (his son also Billy became a boxer I think he fought for the British heavy wight title), G Cook, Billy Hay's and family and Kevin McNelly and family, across from the Talbot on the corner of Benson Road was a factroy not sure what they did. From Rod Scott Email: Roderick@scott3650.fsnet.co.uk
TALBOT STREET 21/03/07
I have just been looking at your site again and someone wanted to know the name of the factory on the corner of Talbot Street and Benson Road. It was the Bearwood Roll and Tool Co. They used to make machine tools etc. I used to live at number 61 Talbot Street and the back of the factory was up our yard. Opposite our house was the Talbot pub where we had our coronation party. I have seen lots of 'photo's of these parties but not any from Talbot Street. I wonder if there are any about and if there are hopefully they will soon find their way to this site. I don't know if my Dad had any but he had his coat stolen from his workplace and he always kept all his 'photo's in his pocket.
Here are a few names I can remember from Talbot Street.Johnny Howell.the Hayes family who used to live behind us,the Larcombes on the other side of the entry where we used to go and watch films on their 8mm.projector. Dennis Dovey who I have spoken to a few times over the last couple of years. He was the landlord of the Villa Tavern in Nechells and the Prince of Wales in Cambridge Street. Also up our entry,behind the Larcombes, I remember an old lady but I don't think I ever knew her name. Up the road, opposite Harding
Street, were the Baggot's. On the corner of Harding Street was a little grocery shop run by Mrs O'Donnel where my Mum used to go and get things 'on the bill' . Up Harding Street on the bend by Don Street was a coal yard but for some reason we always were sent to a coal yard in Wellington Street. I went to Benson Road school from 1949 to 1954/5 and I remember Miss Legge. I think sometimes she used to come to school on a horse.
Anyone who might remember me is welcome to get in touch.
Bob (Robert) Shale Email: email@example.com.