One half of  VITTORIA STREET was in Winson Green the other half was in Smethwick
VITTORIA STREET 22/06/2014  
I wish to thank you for your wonderful website, it has brought back many lovely memories of my childhood.
My name was Pat Wood, born 1941,daughter of Charlie and Alice Wood originally lived at 16 Vittoria Street then moved to the greengrocery shop on the corner of Kitchener Street and Wellington Street and later to Babbington Road.
My paternal Grandfather and Grandmother was the Charlie and Ada Bamford featured in the 1915 wedding picture taken in James Turner Street (on this site).
My mothers family name was Warr from Talbot Street.
I had so many friends and relatives in the area whose doors were always open, those were the days!
Pat Dewsbery

My great grandparents came from this area. My Great grandfather Arthur Edwin Poole married Emma Collins in 1892 at St Cuthberts Church. They both gave their address as Winson Green Road.
Arthurs family were Jewellers but he became a 'master' carpenter. I am told that he did the carpentry in the memorial hall in Birmingham and the main hall in Birmingham University.
Emma died at the age of 40 giving birth to her 8th child. My grandmother May was the eldest child and at the age of 12 took on the role of mother to her younger brothers and sister.  At the time of her marriage my grandmother gave 91 Soho Road as her address. When my mother was a child her grandfather Edwin lived in Vittoria Street at 'The Buff' (see entries below this one) I have spoken to her cousin Tommy Poole who's mother was an Holder. He tells me that this building had been a Buffallo Lodge and that the Buffallo Head was hanging in the kitchen when he was a child. Edwins address when he died was 22 Vittoria Street.
My Grandmother married Arthur Frederick Clewley. The Clewley family lived in Mornington Road, by Black Patch Park. James Clewley married Louisa Hampson.
 Annette Welch

My great great grandfather Joseph James Averall is listed as Licencee of the "Buffalo Tavern" 22 Vittoria Street Smethwick in the 1901 census.

                                             1901 CENSUS

                                             1901 CENSUS

I have been trying to find a reference or even photo of this establishment on the web but to know avail, I know it isn't really in Winson Green but wondered if you had heard of it please?
Love the site by the way, (found by looking for pubs in Vittoria st)
Thanks  Nathan Shelley Email:

Andrew Maxim who wrote "TIME PLEASE"a book about M&B pubs, sent this reply; Unfortunately I’ve never been able to find a photo of the Buffalo at 22 Vittoria Street. It was an M & B beer house and I have the property index card for it. It closed as a pub a long time ago in 1915 and was sublet along with 6 “let-off” houses until the lease expired in 1952 although they may have been demolished before then. That’s all I know. Joseph James Averall was there from 1898 presumably until its closure in 1915.Regards Andrew

VITTORIA STREET                                                                                                                             

1953 Coronation day in Vittoria Street. Photo thanks to Eileen Daniels (nee Horton) 18/10/02                                                                                                  

VITTORIA STREET 26/10/04  (Merryhill Court)

VITTORIA STREET 26/10/04  (Merryhill Court)

Black Patch Park and The Railway. Taken from 13th floor of Merryhill Court between1982 -1983 by Jim Coutts                              PhotoS thanks to  Ed Coutts

Re: Fire in Merryhill Court July 13th 1990, it was my mother who died in fire. Still remember it like yesterday.   Jason Noble  Email:

I also lived in Vittoria Street, the first house under the railway bridge, opposite the "Wicket".
As a member of the Hallsworth family we all, at some time, used Black Patch Park, whether as a kid just playing with your friends who lived in Vittoria St. or from Foundry Road school, or as my Uncle Cliff did, playing football for a local team.
As a girl, I was always a bit of a tomboy, and played football down the park with the lads.The only thing was I always seemed to be stuck in goal by Derek (Spud)Taylor!. I don't know why, I wasn't any good! It was the only "Green space" around and it wasn't till I moved to the leafy suburbs by the Lickey Hills in 1963 that I realised how industrial the area was, where I had been born and brought up.
Janice Perry (Nee Fox)

VITTORIA STREET was on the border of two counties, one Warwickshire and the other Staffordshire, half the street belonged to Smethwick and the other half to Winson Green. You could tell where the division was because the paving bricks on the footpaths changed and it was the terminus of the Birmingham tram.

Terminus of the No 32 Birmingham tram

I was born in 1940 and spent the whole of my childhood in the street and have fond memories of it.
As kids, when it was raining we would play cricket under the big black railway bridge that spanned the street and I can remember all the pop labels stuck to the walls from when the Tizer factory close by was bombed during the war. Next to the bridge was the 'wicket', a short cut passing Murdoch and Avery Roads and the back of the Avery Scales factory, then along to the canal which led to Smethwick proper.
At the bottom of the street was what we called 'the wastie' where all us kids would play. After the war we would play in the dark dank disused airaid shelter that was there before flats were built on the site around 1952. Opposite the wastie was Black Patch Park which was patrolled by the parkeeper 'Padget' - every kid that played in the park was terrified of him (but I can't remember any reason why we should have been) and we would all take off if he was anywhere to be seen. I spent many happy hours in the park playing and was fascinated by the brook that ran through it and I used to throw bits of paper into the running water on one side and race to the other side to see it flow through under the bridge - so I'm probably partly the cause of any pollution around there.
I can still remember most of the families that lived in the street..Hallsworth, Perks, Butlers, Arnolds, Holders (the shop in the middle), Butlers, Steeles, Wagers, Woods(1), Hamers, Rodens, Hayes, Woods(2), Inglebies, Jordans, Pooles, Watsons, Stretches, Dykes, Rushtons, Paynes, Andrews, Kents, Cothers, Waltons (1), Williams, Vincents, Sambrooks, Hortons (us) (Hartlands - the factory) Waltons(2), Brights, Holmes,Clarkes, ..... (not bad as I haven't lived there for 40 years) People in the street were not only neighbours they were also friends.
Holders (the shop) sold mainly groceries and was the Central Information Bureau for the street, if you needed an update on gossip - that was the place to go. Every Saturday my father would give me money wrapped in paper with instructions to take it to Holders and say "Dad's sent this" then later in the day I had to make the same journey and ask "Anything for NIP (his non-depluem) - as I got older I realised that the shop took illegal bets for the local bookie.
The men in Vittoria street mainly used to drink at either the Soho Tavern or the Railway pubs and as the Soho Tavern (Smethwick) closed 30 mins. before the Railway (Birmingham) we would see the men running up the street to have one last pint in the Railway. My mother always thought it was a disgusting display but to us kids it was funny and we always cheered as dad raced past at Olympic speed.
I have lived in South Australia for nearly 40 years and have been back to see the old street on one of my visits back to England. I think they probably call it progress but I prefer to remember it as it was in 'the good old days'
I would love to hear from anyone who used to live in the street......Eileen Daniels (nee Horton)

What a great site, I am tracing my family tree the names are Bolas and Loveridge,Tutty and Harwood through your site and your book Brumroamin I've found another branch of my tree so thank you Ted, also if anyone reads this and knows anything about the above families or can tell me anything about
 Foundry Lane and Vittoria Street shop, I would be glad to hear from you.
Adele Cornes